Primacy of Existence vs. Consciousness Summaries
These are summaries I found on the net that explain the issue simply, easily, and realistically so that you can begin to understand what is true vs. what is imagined and believed to be “true”.
“The primacy of consciousness theory asserts that consciousness somehow creates reality. Sometimes it takes the form of a divine consciousness that creates reality, and sometimes it takes the form of each individual consciousness creating their own personal reality.
In either case, there is a contradiction. To be conscious is to be aware (of something.) One can not be aware without something to be aware of. In other words, a consciousness without anything to be conscious of is not a consciousness. Nor can a consciousness be aware of itself and claim to be independent of existence, because if a consciousness is aware of itself, then it must itself exist and be an existent.
The truth is that Existence is primary.”
“In no uncertain terms, the idea that consciousness creates reality or that consciousness holds metaphysical primacy in some way over existence, diametrically contradicts the primacy of existence principle.
Second, the primacy of consciousness view is false because it commits the fallacy of the stolen concept. The fallacy of the stolen concept occurs when one asserts a concept while ignoring or denying its epistemological roots. By assuming that consciousness holds metaphysical primacy over existence, one asserts the concept ‘consciousness’ while ignoring or denying its epistemological root, which is the concept ‘existence’. Why is ‘existence’ the epistemological root of ‘consciousness’? Because consciousness is consciousness of something, which means: consciousness is consciousness of that which exists, i.e., of existence. ”
“Francis Bacon knew that in order to command nature, one must act according to its rules and identity. The statement Reality is Absolute is the explicit recognition of the primacy of existence. This means that reality is not subject to wishes, whims, prayers, or miracles. If you want to change the world, you must act according to reality. Nothing else will affect reality. If you evade this fact, your actions will most likely not have their desired effects. Your failure will be metaphysical justice.
The primacy of existence states the irrefutable truth that existence is primary and consciousness is secondary. Consciousness is the faculty which perceives and identifies existents (things that exists). For two reasons we say that existence is primary, that consciousness requires existence, and that there is no consciousness without existence.
Because consciousness identifies existents, there can be no consciousness without something existing to perceive. Nothing can have an identity (to be identified) without existing. The fact that something is identified necessarily implies its existence which necessarily implies existence in general. Thus there is no consciousness without existence.
Because consciousness identifies existents, consciousness itself must exist in order to do the identifying. Along the lines of Descartes cogito, to be conscious (to identify), a consciousness must exist. A faculty can not operate and not exist at the same time. A verb without a noun makes no sense, and the noun must exist in order for the verb to take place.
Consciousness is not responsible for creating reality or creating an individual reality. It is completely dependent upon reality. Existence is primary because it is independent of, makes possible, and is a prerequisite of consciousness.
All forms of mysticism derive from the false premise of the primacy of consciousness, which is demonstratively false. Also, the assertion that existence somehow requires consciousness, sometimes called the Interdependence Theory, is arbitrary at best without objective basis.”
Accepting the primacy of consciousness, is only done through accepting “god”, or a derivation of “source” origin, as a foundational axiom of “truth”, not in reality or existence here, but somewhere else. It is not a foundational axiom of “truth” in reality because it is not based in the axiom of reality that is the foundation and source for us to gain knowledge in consciousness, the axiom of the primacy of existence. It is based as a foundation in its own reality that we have 0 knowledge of because we don’t exist there, we only imagine it to be real and as we invent it to be, as a reflection of ourselves, projecting ourselves onto this inventing in an attempt to describe it and make sense of it, to give it substance. This false axiom requires the axiom of existence in order to imagine and invent it in the first place.
It this a confusion on semantics or am I totally confused? Why couldn’t consciousness be aware of itself? Because it has to exist? It exists as consciousness. I don’t see how that forces there to be an outside force called existence? Consciousness cannot be aware of it’s own existence independent of a larger existence that is primary? Why? What forces consciousness to need an outside reality? Why isn’t it just looking at itself? Thanks
Ori – then you are using a word you know not the meaning of. Apart from which – it would be a waste of creation to create a means to observe only its means of observation. On no level does the Primacy Of Consciousness make sense to one who thinks.